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I think there’s two underlying reasons why you’ll pretty much get women having different reactions to things than men and it’s because of the 10 Year Gap and The Line.

The 10 Year Gap is that in general a man has about 10 years of extra experience joking around, fighting, trying to work out power dynamics and all that, based on competence and guts compared to a woman. Young boys get this usually from about 5. Women and girls learn different dynamics. So when a woman reacts to a certain situation she’s up against all this extra hidden context and rules of behaviour that unless she has a lot of brothers and male family members she’s not going to pick up on. And even then.

The second is The Line. Every man on Earth knows about The Line though cultures differ as to where it is. The Line is what you cross to get a smack. And when you cross it even your friends are going to say you deserved it. Often with no excuses.

So when a man makes a joke it’s pretty much going to be a bit of a dig to test your mettle but nowhere near The Line.

And men often don’t feel the need to dumb down this type of interaction just because you are a woman. We like rules. If you’re in the game learn to give and take. And when you do you’ll find you won’t get issues because you’ll have the support.

That’s all it is in the end. It’s not complicated. The hard bit for a woman is trying to gain all that nuance. That’d be exhausting.

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👏👏👏 Bravo, bravo, bravo Grow Some Labia! This is the kind of DEI I would be happy to support! DEI isn’t a bad idea in isolation, it’s all about how one applies it. A better version of DEI that would teach women how to handle conflict like adults and not make assumptions about men and that bad behavior by EITHER sex towards the other is unacceptable would definitely be the way for corporate America to go. To be sure gender discrimination to an extent, is still an issue in American society and unconscious bias is definitely a thing. But these are far from the only reasons that women are underrepresented in certain fields or don’t take certain jobs. The American workplace needs to make it possible for women to have a work-life balance. So they can be mothers and homemakers but also pursue a career in the business world and rise as high as their merits can take them. Paid maternity leave, paid time off, childcare benefits, extended vacation time, allowing women to have days off for period pain, and federal daycare programs would be solutions I’d propose. To recruit more women into jobs or fields they have yet to break into in large numbers, I would propose assertiveness training and combating imposter syndrome. I would also suggest soft affirmative action programs (that choose from two equally qualified candidates), private initiatives for diversity and school programs to get girls and young women interested in predominantly male fields. DEI such as it is, doesn’t have a solution for or even acknowledge these other factors. How can men hire more women if women choose not to take the job or not to apply for reasons beyond their control? You also are right that women in the workplace need to be taught to address male behavior that hurts or bothers them by handling it themselves by privately speaking with them and resolving the issue peacefully rather than immediately going to HR or accusing them of something heinous while in an emotional state. Only if the behavior persists should you escalate. Women also need to be made aware of their biases and held responsible if they behave inappropriately around men which also happens and is also wrong. Sexual harassment and assault are absolutely wrong whether done by men to women or women to men. I couldn’t agree more with you when you said “we all have biases and we ALL need to do the work.” This is the first article I’ve read from you or Radical Radha, and I’m absolutely blown away!

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