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Esme Fae's avatar

Neither sex has a monopoly on awful behavior!

As a woman, I've had my share of terrible male and terrible female bosses. I've also had some great bosses, both male and female. However, one thing that I noticed over the years was that awful male bosses were usually (not always) somewhat easier to deal with than awful female bosses - simply because their awfulness was more *direct* and they seemed to respond better to direct confrontatations.

For example, in my early 20's when I was a cute young thing, I worked for one creep in particular who constantly made inappropriate remarks to me daily, made completely unreasonable demands as far as overtime, and who expected me to manage his rather turbulent personal life in addition to my actual job duties. At first, I was too young and non-assertive and went along with it - but after a few months, I grew some labia and said to him "That is COMPLETELY inappropriate and you need to stop talking to me like that right now," and "No...I will not be able to send flowers to your girlfriend who is angry at you because she caught you sleeping with the landlady. That's a YOU problem and you're going to have to deal with it yourself". He looked shocked for a moment...then laughed and said "hmmm, you've got some spirit!" - and then stopped the behaviors for the most part (and when he forgot, I could give him the stinkeye and he'd be all "oops, sorry - never mind!"). It was almost like he was testing to see how far he could go; and when limits were clearly set, he was OK with it.

I also found with most of my male bosses that they had one or two pet peeves that were hills they clearly were willing to die on; and if you went along with that then you could pretty much do as you liked in everything else. I'm a person who intensely dislikes micro-management, so I'd just figure out the one or two things they were weird about, and then they'd usually let me do my job as I saw fit with a minimum of interference.

On the other hand, I never did figure out how to deal effectively with backstabbing, vindictive female bosses, because the behaviors tended to be underhanded, indirect, and have plausible deniability. It's probably the same reason I tended to not have a lot of female friends in junior high and high school - I'm not really good at picking up on subtext and unspoken social cues. I also noted that the majority of my female bosses (not all of them, but most) were inclined to micromanage, which I found extremely annoying. And there often is a dynamic of a middle-aged or older woman who seems to enjoy being cruel to younger women for no real reason. Now that I'm middle-aged, I try to make a very conscious effort to be kind and to mentor younger colleagues, because I remember being treated so badly by older women when I was in my 20's.

Humans in general are inclined to be awful; and neither sex can claim to be "better" than the other - they just tend to be awful in different ways.

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From Ritual to Romance's avatar

Kudos! This is the best article I have seen on this topic. Yes, we are all awful. Too many of us are too far over on the narcissism scale. We use our innate aggression in our own unique ways order to do maximum damage to our “enemies.”

The human ego is boundless and infinitely destructive. The sooner we take off the blinders about the imaginary goodness of human nature, the better. If we just admit that we would do anything to climb up the pecking order, maybe we can disrupt our own worst tendencies a little.

On another note, I hope you retire soon and get started on that reverse handmaid novel. I want to be the first to read it!

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