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Very interesting and makes sense to me. Strangely enough, I've always had more testosterone than most women (yes we have some), a deep voice, I'm a mesomorph, mostly an alpha, competitive, and a logical math girl. Yet, I share most of the same emotions as women and never felt strange in my body, even if it bothered me that I was so flat. Bottom line, I never felt perfectly in synch with either group but didn't hate either side. I enjoy giggling with girls and giving men joking shit. Maybe the hormones explain it more than I thought. I know that my situation isn't the point of the article but somewhat cathartic to think of it this way. Pretty sure if I had grown up during these times, I'd have been told I was a boy but given my hard head and attraction to men, I wouldn't have bought that BS. Thanks for sharing. We are all unique!

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I'm a woman who has some stereotypically-male interests (mountain biking), and my riding crew is all men and me. I've been riding with them, including going on mountain bike trips, for over a decade and have been accepted as an "honorary dude", so I get a glimpse of some unvarnished male behavior. It probably helps that I'm one of those straight women who often gets mistaken for a lesbian. Valerio's account confirms many of my observations.

Male banter is something that I think a lot of women misunderstand. I suspect a lot of what is perceived as "hostility" by women in male-dominated spaces is actually just men treating a woman the way they treat other men. In my crew, we all have nicknames that are usually assigned by the group based on some sort of embarrassing incident or characteristic. For example, one guy will forever be known as "Puke Tent" because he got drunk on a camping trip and puked in his tent. If you react to the ribbing by getting upset, it will intensify. However, the thing to remember is that they don't rib people that aren't part of the group, or whom they dislike. It is a sign you've been accepted. The day I was dubbed "Esme Buckets" after I threw up on a hard ride, I knew I was one of them.

I've ridden bikes with other women, and noticed that when a new rider shows up for an all-women ride, everyone will slow the pace down, do easier trails, and in general go easy on the newcomer. For women, taking a newcomer on the harder trails or hitting features like jumps/drops is often seen as being a bit of a show-off and generally just isn't done. It's the opposite with guys; if a new guy shows up, we choose the gnarliest trails at the fastest pace so we can see how he does. They take particular glee if the newcomer is slower or less skilled than The Girl (i.e., me); but they will respect someone who remains stoic despite obviously suffering.

Many of my female friends wonder what their husbands say about them to their friends. I reassure them that in general, the guys seldom talk about their wives or girlfriends. Mostly they talk about their bikes, food, movies/TV, music, or cars. I have a vague idea what they do for a living, but we don't talk much about work because it's boring. I know mostly who is married or single, and who has kids, but it's taken years to learn all that because it's not usually a topic of conversation.

They think about sex a LOT more than women do, and in a different way. Younger men in particular really are life support systems for their dicks. It really is a primal drive with them and it does seem to override the rational part of their brains. And in many ways, they never really get beyond the 14-year-old boy stage, they just get somewhat better at hiding it around women. One other thing that I've observed is that while women are completely capable of having a 100% platonic friendship with a man, straight men cannot ever be 100% platonic with a woman unless she's really, really unattractive. If she is non-hideous, they will always wonder what she looks like naked and what it would be like to have sex with her. Also, most women will find an very handsome man completely unattractive if he has an unpleasant personality or stupid opinions or is just really dumb - but men are not like this. "Well, I wouldn't want to have to have a conversation with her, but I'd sure fuck her!" seems to be how most of them think.

They're much less critical of women's appearances than other women are. Most of them have one particular body part that they are fond of (big boobs, or nice legs, or curvy hips, etc.) and they are quite OK with the rest of the woman's body being imperfect as long as she has the big boobs or nice legs or a nice butt or whatever part they are fixated on. And it is also true that they find about 80% of women to be attractive, simply by being female and non-hideous. They really are not that picky. And they totally do not understand fashion - every time I hear a woman complain about "The Patriarchy" making us wear uncomfortable clothes or "policing our bodies", I have to laugh because most men's ideal attire for woman would be for us to be naked all the time. They don't understand fashion, other than appreciating it when we wear crop tops or tight jeans or low-cut tops or whatever. Women are far, FAR more critical of each others' appearance and clothing choices.

A lot of my female friends fret that their husbands or boyfriends are "suppressing" their feelings about various things. I have to inform them that they generally are not - they just don't care about stuff as much as we do. It's one of the things that I love about men - they are so much simpler and more straightforward to figure out. There's not more to them; there's less.

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